CHOG-AM re Connections

ONTARIO REGIONAL COUNCIL
(CBSC Decision 96/97-0040)
A. MacKay (Chair), R. Stanbury (Vice-Chair), R. Cohen (ad hoc), P. Fockler, M. Hogarth, M. Ziniak

The Facts

Connections is a late night open-line program hosted by Dr. Jerry Green and broadcast
by CHOG-AM in Toronto. On its October 28, 1996 broadcast, one of the topics of
discussion was the “Days of Action” protest against the cutbacks of the Ontario
government. The complaint concerns comments made by a caller to the program,
identified only as “Don from Brampton”, at about 2:45 a.m. on the 28th. The following are
excerpts from Dr. Green's discussion with “Don”:

Don: …this is not just a class struggle. To us we're at war and we'll do whatever is
necessary. And what we did in the past two days of protest is just Act One and it's going to
get worse. And as long as the Tories keep putting up the ante we'll counter attack and if
he…if Harris wants war, we'll give him war. Believe me. And this is just the beginning. It's
going to get rougher and tougher as it goes along.

Jerry Green: Well you know, Mr. (Inaudible) was on just before me and he didn't agree
with the protest either. He is sort of a spiritual person and he was saying “you should work
out a way with the Harris government so that we both get what we want.” Rather than
getting into a war with them. What would you say to that?

Don: I say that we couldn't come together with Benitto Mussolini or Adolf Hitler and we're
not going to try to negotiate with people who are unwilling to listen, who don't give a darn
about the people of Ontario. This is strictly their own doing and the reason that there
weren't more that showed up at the days of protest is because they are a cowardly lot. They
were hiding looking out their Bay Street windows and they did the same thing at the
convention center. They haven't got the courage to come and face the public anymore. To
me that's disgusting and that's contemptuous and cowardly.

Don: …we have every democratic right to protest and that's exactly what we are going to
do. We're going to make his life, the rest of the Tories lives so miserable that they are
going to be happy to go out when the next election comes.

Jerry Green: They'll be happy to have their one term in government and then they can go
on to higher levels of …

Don: They can go back to Bay Street or wherever they go because they always seem to
land on their feet. Those people, people of that sort, and by the way, the reason they don't
care about the children of Ontario is because Tories don't have children they have piglets.
And that's essentially the kind of people…

Jerry Green: You're getting very nasty, Don. Those are your words. See, I wouldn't be
as nasty….

The Complaint

A listener wrote to the CRTC to complain about this broadcast. This letter was in turn
forwarded to the CBSC. In his letter, the complainant stated that the host had allowed
caller “Don from Brampton” to make “hateful, threatening and derogatory statements
without being challenged and/or being muted.”

The Broadcaster's Response

The Vice-President/Programming of the station responded to the complainant on
November 12th. His letter reads, in part, as follows:

We've had the chance to review the programming material of concern to you and found that
the station was programming an open line session. Listeners are asked to call in and offer
their opinions on various topics. The topic in this case was the “Days of Action” protest in
Toronto. I can confirm that the caller you identify as Don did make it on the air. He did
express some harsh criticism of Ontario's Progressive Conservative Government and their
supporters and certainly made his view known on where he stands with the Mike Harris
cutbacks, and organized labour's response to such. His comments were expressed as his
opinion only, and were acknowledged by the host as such.

Having heard Don on the air before, I can tell you that his views have sometimes been
philosophically aligned with some of our hosts and callers, and yet strongly challenged and
chastised by others. He is what we call in the radio business an “active participant” in talk
show programming and appears on our station several times a week. We feel that his
opinions have been fairly balanced in the past, with differing opinion and will continue to be
so in the future.

In this particular case, we can see where some listeners would be offended by his opinions,
and they would not be shared by all of our audience.

We don't feel that the host acted inappropriately in this case. He allowed the caller to
express his belief and the same courtesy was afforded to other callers to the program.

The complainant was unsatisfied with this response and requested, on November 18,
1996, that the CBSC refer the matter to the appropriate Regional Council for adjudication.
The standard form for this request was accompanied with a letter in which the complainant
stated:

…I will defend Don's rights to “CIVILLY and OPENLY” air his views, but I do take objection
to the comments, threats and hatred he expressed on Dr. Greene's program…Don, as a self
proclaimed spokesman and official of a political party, seems to constantly pursue his
agenda of overthrowing a duly elected democratic government with his vile terminologies
[sic]. The culminating statement being “TORIES DON'T HAVE CHILDREN THEY HAVE
PIGS.”

The Ontario Regional Council considered the complaint under Clause 6, paragraph 3 of
the Code of Ethics of the Canadian Association of Broadcasters (CAB). The text of this
paragraph reads as follows:

Clause 6, paragraph 3

It is recognized that the full, fair and proper presentation of news, opinion, comment and
editorial is the prime and fundamental responsibility of the broadcast publisher.

The Regional Council listened to the tape of the program in question and reviewed all of
the related correspondence. The Council concludes that the broadcaster is not in breach
of the Code of Ethics.

Broadcaster Responsibility for All Material Aired

Before determining whether the broadcaster breached the CAB Code of Ethics for
permitting some or all of “Don's” comments to be broadcast, the Ontario Regional Council
considers it important to deal with the issue of broadcaster responsibility for the airing of
all material, including the comments of a caller on an open-line show. In general, as
provided in the CRTC's Policy Regarding Open-Line Programming (Public Notice CRTC
1988-213, 23 December 1988), the broadcaster is responsible for the content of all
material aired.:

A licensee is responsible for the actions of its employees, including open-line hosts,
producers and programmers. A licensee is also responsible for comments made by guests
or callers during open-line programs.
[Emphasis added.]

While this is the first occasion on which the CBSC is called upon to deal with a caller's
comments, the Council's view of the matter was discussed in CHAN-TV re Sportscast
(CBSC Decision 95/96-0108, December 18, 1996), a program which dealt with an invited
guest's comments. In that matter, the British Columbia Regional Council stated:

It is, of course, clear that, to the extent the words in question offend the Code, the
broadcaster bears full responsibility for them despite the fact that the commentator is not a
regular station employee. Broadcasters are, in general, responsible for any programming
which they air. This includes programming which they do not originate (see CKVR-TV re
Just for Laughs
, CBSC Decision 94/95-0005, August 23, 1995), advertising (see CFTO-TV
and CFMT-TV re Walk to Work Commercials
, CBSC Decision 93/94-0015, June 22, 1994)
and the comments of callers-in to talk shows.

In light of the above, the Ontario Regional Council does not find that its decision is at all
affected by the fact that Dr. Green stated “Those are your words… I wouldn't be as nasty
[Emphasis added].” The broadcaster is as responsible for them as if they had come from
Dr. Green's mouth.

Open-Line Programming

The CBSC has in the past interpreted and applied the standards required of broadcasters
airing open-line programs. Broadcasters must balance freedom of expression against
abuses of that freedom. In CFRA-AM re the Lowell Green Show (CBSC Decision 93/94-0276, November 15, 1994), the Council stated:

In Canada, the freedom of expression as guaranteed in Section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter
of Rights and Freedoms
is not without limitations (see Section 1 of the Charter). As the
CBSC affirmed in its April 15, 1994 decision concerning CKTB-AM, “it is that delicate
weighing of freedom and restriction which the host must accomplish and which, in the event
of a listener complaint, the CBSC must judge.”

The host in this instance is being blamed for not cutting off a caller soon enough. Several
other complaints have dealt with a host's responsibility to enable, not restrict, access,
concluding that, as the moderator, the host must not intimidate, insult, cut off or abuse
callers. In the CFRA decision quoted above, the talk show host cut off the caller as soon
as she had identified herself as a Christian. The Council considered the broadcaster's
actions unacceptable and stated that:

by cutting her off on such flimsy and discriminatory grounds, the host had not only infringed
her freedom of expression, but had also precluded the “free flowing expression of views of
public concern” deemed essential to this type of programming. The host of the program had
clearly insulted the female caller and silenced her because he believed that she had a point
of view different from his. The Regional Council unanimously agreed that, by limiting debate
in this manner and for this reason, the station breached clause 6 of the CAB Code of Ethics.

In this case, far from cutting off the caller, whose frequent participation was apparently
known to the station, the host permitted him to continue to offer his opinions. Dr. Green
stepped in assertively only once, when, in his view, the caller began to “cross the line” of
acceptable comment. While the Council considers that, for the most part, the comments
of caller “Don” constituted political rhetoric, it acknowledges that the host must have the
latitude to determine when a caller has gone too far. Even though such political expression
holds a very high status in terms of the constitutional guarantee of freedom of expression,
the Council believes that the host acted appropriately in dealing with this part of Don's
comments both in letting “Don” continue as long as he did (the complainant's criticism) and
in cutting him off when he judged the moment apt.

With respect to Don's specific comment that “Tories don't have children, they have piglets”,
the Council is of the view that the comment is silly rather than abusive. Accordingly, the
Council does not find that CHOG-AM violated broadcast standards by allowing the
comment to be aired. However, the Council is of the view that such a comment did deserve
mitigation, given its venomous intent. Accordingly, the Council finds that Dr. Green acted
appropriately in this regard when he stated “You are getting very nasty, Don.”

Broadcaster Responsiveness

In addition to assessing the relevance of the Codes to the complaint, the CBSC always
assesses the responsiveness of the broadcaster to the substance of the complaint. It is
a responsibility of membership in the CBSC to be responsive to audience complaints. It is
the view of the Regional Council that the broadcaster's obligation of responsiveness in this
case has been fulfilled.

This decision is a public document upon its release by the Canadian Broadcast Standards
Council. It may be reported, announced or read by the station against which the complaint
had originally been made; however, in the case of a favourable decision, the station is
under no obligation to announce the result.