CILQ-FM re the Howard Stern Show

(CBSC Decision 97/98-0487, 488, 504 and 535)
A. MacKay (Chair), R. Stanbury (Vice-Chair), P. Fockler, T. Gupta, M. Hogarth, M. Ziniak


Since the matters dealt with in this decision are directly connected with the first CBSC decision
relating to the CHOM-FM and CILQ-FM broadcast of the Howard Stern Show (CBSC Decision
97/98-0001+ and 0015+, decided on October 17-18, 1997 and released on November 11), the
Council provides herewith the details relating to the events intervening between November and the
date of this decision. Since the date of that first decision, no complaints were received regarding
the CHOM-FM edited version of the show; consequently, this decision relates only to the broadcast
of the Howard Stern Show on CILQ-FM (more popularly known as Q107) during certain days in
December 1997 and January 1998.

The Requirements of the First CILQ-FM Decision

While the Ontario Regional Council does not wish to review each substantive point dealt with in the
initial combined decision of the Quebec and Ontario Regional Councils in CHOM-FM and CILQ-FM
re the Howard Stern Show
(CBSC Decisions 97/98-0001+ and 0015+, October 17 and 18, 1997),
it does consider it essential to refer to and review the conclusions of that decision.

There were two. The first was the requirement that the broadcasters announce the CBSC decision
forthwith during prime time. The second was, in essence, that the broadcasters determine and explain, within 30 days of November 11, how they proposed to avoid the repetition of the breaches
of the Code of Ethics and the Sex-Role Portrayal Code. The Quebec and Ontario Regional
Councils declared that

while the subject matter of the daily Howard Stern Show episodes of course varies from day
to day, the presentation of the content which is the principal subject matter of this decision
remains systematically similar in approach from one day to the next and that, as in the case
of CIII-TV re Mighty Morphin Power Rangers (CBSC Decision 93/94-0270 and 0277, October
24, 1994), the two weeks of episodes reviewed will be a fair reflection of the type of
approach and attitude which the show could be expected to reflect on an ongoing basis. In
the Power Rangers case, the Ontario Regional Council concluded

that their observations entitle them to take the generalized position that the
approach of the entire series is such that it would likely be in breach of those
articles of the Violence Code in the same manner as the episodes which the
Council members viewed in order to render this decision.

The Quebec and Ontario Regional Councils consider that those remarks apply by analogy,
with respect to the Code of Ethics and the Sex-Role Portrayal Code, to the Howard Stern

It is, of course, clear that the first Stern decision could do no more than anticipate that the Show
would continue to violate the Code of Ethics and the Sex-Role Portrayal Code. It could not
conclude that such breaches would occur. By anticipating, however, that the Stern Show would do
so, the Regional Councils were putting the broadcasters on notice that the continued airing of the
Show in that form would likely place them in ongoing violation of the Codes, a situation which would
be incompatible with their continued membership in the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council.

CBSC Membership Requirements

As the CBSC Members Manual provides, under the heading “Criteria of Membership”, “To become
a member of the Council, a broadcaster … must agree to carry out the responsibilities of
membership outlined in the following” and, under the immediately following heading
“Responsibilities of Membership”, it is provided:

Stations voluntarily becoming members of the Council agree to:

(a) Abide by, and agree to be judged by, the broadcasting codes of the CAB administered
by the Council.

(b) Encourage, educate and assist managers, programmers, producers, journalists and
performers to understand, and conduct themselves in accordance with these standards.

Thereafter, as a part of “Compliance”, the rules of membership provide:

If a member broadcaster fails to comply with a decision of the Council, by not broadcasting
a Council decision in favour of the complainant or by refusing to adhere to an approved
standard, the broadcaster's membership in the Council will be revoked.

The consequence of not adhering to the “approved standards”, which were the creation of the
private broadcasters themselves, would be the removal of the member from the voluntary authority
of the CBSC. While, ultimately, all CBSC members are subject to the regulatory authority of the
CRTC, any broadcasters who might cease to be members would be more immediately involved with
the formal regulatory regime.

It should not be forgotten that the standards were instituted by Canada's private broadcasters to
ensure that the acceptable content criteria of broadcast material would be the same for all listeners
and viewers and, moreover, that no individual stations would be able to steal a competitive march
on other broadcasters in their market by breaching those standards.

It is an extremely positive endorsement of the self-regulatory process that, hitherto, the CBSC has
never invoked the above-noted provisions relating to adherence to standards to remove a member
from its midst. It is equally significant that no member has ever resigned by reason of its refusal
to adhere to industry Codes.

The Broadcasters' Proposed Solutions Following the First Stern Decision

Both stations began announcing the CBSC decision forthwith, as required, and did so on a
reasonably frequent basis for several days, above and beyond the minimum requirements of the

Then, on December 10, both CHOM-FM in Montreal and WIC Radio Ltd., on behalf of its station
CILQ-FM, issued news releases announcing their intentions regarding future compliance. While
CHOM-FM is not involved in the present matter, what it had to say on December 10 and what
measures they put into place to deal with the compliance requirement are relevant to CILQ-FM's
course of action and are quoted here for that reason. Their release said, in part, that the station
had sent letters to each of the complainants which included the following language:

We support the Canadian Association of Broadcasters and the voluntary broadcasting codes
it has developed, which are administered by the CBSC. CHOM-FM will continue to co-operate fully with the CBSC whenever complaints are lodged against our radio station in
respect of these codes.

The news release went on to say that

CHOM-FM intends to monitor closely The Howard Stern Show as it is broadcast each
weekday morning and to take appropriate measures, if necessary, to ensure that it remains
in compliance with Canadian broadcast standards.

Moreover, CHOM-FM representatives advised the CBSC in a private meeting that they were
acquiring sophisticated digital equipment which would enable the station to build a time-bank of pre-delivered material from the Stern Show, which could then be reviewed and edited digitally prior to
actual broadcast. The new equipment would permit more effortless editing than the customary
analog equipment previously in use by CHOM-FM, CILQ-FM and most, if not all, other stations in
Canada. It would also permit essentially seamless editing from the listener's point of view, a matter
of more obvious concern to the station than to the Council, whose goals relate principally to the
broadcast of material which does not offend Canadian broadcaster codes.

WIC, on the other hand, initially made no commitment with respect to the Codes. Their news
release announced a four point plan, only two of which were at all related to the program and
neither of which was related to CAB standards:

1. Q107 will immediately hire an additional producer whose function will be the monitoring
of The Howard Stern Show with a view to ensuring sensitivity and continuing compliance with
Broadcasting Act requirements.

2. Q107 will further discuss with the producers of The Howard Stern Show the implications
of certain methods of production which differ from those currently in place.

The CBSC issued its own news release in which it reacted to the two public statements. It said:

CHOM-FM has indicated that it “intends to monitor The Howard Stern Show as it is broadcast
each weekday morning and to take appropriate measures, if necessary, to ensure that it
remains in compliance with Canadian broadcast standards
.” The Council has been
contacted by CHOM-FM representatives and has been assured that the station has taken
steps to guarantee: 1) that station personnel are aware of the sensitivities reflected in the
broadcast Codes; 2) that the appropriate technological steps will be taken to carefullymonitor the Show and respect the CBSC's stated concerns; and 3) that portions of the
program may be edited to conform to Canadian broadcast standards so as to ensure that
the version of the Show available to CHOM's audience will be in compliance with the Codes
on an ongoing basis.

The CBSC's reaction to the CILQ-FM proposal was less positive since the broadcaster had made
no commitment relating to the various CAB Codes.

CILQ-FM announced a “4 Point Plan” regarding the Howard Stern Show. Half of the points
relate to issues which bear no direct relationship to the Howard Stern Show and the decision
of the CBSC. Of the two remaining, only one appears to bear even an oblique reference to
the concerns of the Council as expressed in the decision of November 11.

Although, regarding that one point, the CILQ-FM news release declared that “Q107 will
immediately hire an additional producer whose function will be the monitoring of The Howard
Stern Show with a view to ensuring sensitivity and continuing compliance with Broadcasting
requirements,” there was no mention of any of the private broadcasters' Codes or the
intention of the station to comply with the Canadian broadcast standards found in them.

In the absence of such a commitment, the Council has begun its investigation to determine
whether the Stern Show has been in compliance with the Canadian broadcast Codes since
the date of the decision. In the event that its investigation reveals that the post-November
11 episodes of the Show examined have been in breach, the Council will take the next step
of exploring its options regarding the possible severance of the relationship between the
Council and CILQ-FM for its failure to “agree to adhere to the Council's standards” as
required by the Council's Manual for Members.

WIC (CILQ-FM)'s Subsequent Proposals

The next day, John Lacey, the President and C.E.O. of WIC Radio's parent company, WIC Western
International Communications Ltd., left a message for the CBSC's National Chair in which he
stated: “My understanding is we're going to do exactly the same as CHUM; we're going to be in
compliance with the Codes of the Council. That's why we're a member of the Council.” The
company followed that message with a letter from its Vice President, Corporate and Regulatory
Affairs, in which a “clarification” was made to the news release of the following day:

With respect to the Media Release that Q107 issued yesterday, this letter will confirm that
the words “Broadcasting Act” should be interpreted to have incorporated in them any and all
legal requirements affecting Q107's licence which might flow from that Act, including the
Radio Regulations and any applicable Codes, and Q107 will take whatever steps are
necessary in this regard to remain in compliance.

We trust this clarifies Q107's intentions.

In fact, it did not fully achieve the desired result since the technical legalistic approach to the issue
only confirmed the broadcaster's intention of complying with the “legal requirements which flow from
that Act, including … any applicable Codes”, which would, in fact, include the Sex-Role Portrayal
but not the Code of Ethics. Ultimately, representatives of WIC's radio arm made their
compliance intentions unequivocal.

The detailed explanation of the measures taken by CILQ-FM was provided to the National Chair
of the CBSC in a letter of February 16, 1998 from the President and C.E.O. of WIC Radio. Other
aspects of this letter which are more pertinent to the substance of the complaints dealt with herein
will be referred to below; however, certain portions of the letter are relevant to this part of the
decision. That letter, then, states in part:

I believe it is important that the Council know that WIC continues to be a strong supporter
of the self-regulatory process and its administration by the CBSC.

The traditional method of dealing with talk content programs is to utilize a seven second
delay and a technical operator/producer to monitor the content. The new system we now
have in place for the Stern Show is as follows:

1. New Producer

As of December 29th, 1997 we added a second producer whose sole function is to
monitor/edit the show to ensure compliance with Canadian broadcast codes and regulations.
This producer has been fully versed in these issues by our legal counsel and provides a daily
log of edits to our management and legal counsel. This log consists of the number of edits
made, the time of the edits and the content removed. The technical producer also monitors
the original feed as a back up and double check on content. The average number of edits
to the show have been about 15 per week.

2. Digital Equipment

We have also installed a digital time shift recorder that enables us to expand the original time
delay period from two minutes to eight minutes. This unit is not only state of the art, but
needed to be custom built to meet our needs which also added to our delay in
implementation. The original unit was ordered in December, but delayed because of the
holidays and did not arrive in our studios from the manufacturer until late January, 1998. At
that [time] it was not complete, as it would only accommodate up to the original two minute
time delay. The final piece of software was only received the week of February 9th. It is now
installed and allows us the full buffer period of eight minutes. This new equipment allows us
the opportunity to seamlessly remove any offending material in its entirety without
interrupting the show for our audiences.

3. Announcements

We have also heeded the suggestion of CBSC and now insert into the Stern Show, an
announcement which runs a minimum of three times each morning and states as follows:

“this program is being monitored to ensure compliance with Canadian
broadcast codes and regulations”.

From the point of view of the CBSC, CILQ-FM had clearly taken major infrastructural steps in
recognition of its responsibility to adhere to the Codes.

Editing the Howard Stern Show

Both broadcasters had acknowledged that the Howard Stern Show contained content which would
be likely to be in violation of the Codes to which they had themselves subscribed. By adding to
their infrastructure in both sophisticated digital equipment and personnel, they further
acknowledged that special steps would be required to ensure that Canadian standards would be
respected in the broadcasting of the Stern Show. This was, in the view of the Council, a significant
acknowledgment since the Stern Show had had a “take it or leave it” reputation; it was indicated
that it could not be tampered with, revised, edited or altered in any way. As Stern himself described
the situation in the first show broadcast in Canada on September 2, 1997:

Caller Darrell: Howard, let me tell you, I've been listening to Toronto morning radio all my life and
all these just suck. Finally we have something we can enjoy and wake up in the morning and listen
to, but I got to put a little damper…I don't know if Gary has the clippings, but what they're doing here
in Toronto is putting you on a sixty second delay.

Howard Stern: That's all right.

Caller Darrell: Is that okay?

Howard Stern: I don't care.

Robin Quivers: Usually it's a seventy.

Howard Stern: Yeah, usually seventy. They're actually daredevils out in Toronto. The reason they
do that, by the way let me clear that up, is not for censorship reasons.

Caller Darrell: Well, that's what they're saying here, though.

Howard Stern: The reason they do that is they need time to in our commercial breaks link up with us
to know when our last commercial is. That's all that is.

Howard Stern: Yeah, we control the sixty second delay in Toronto which would allow us to block
content should we deem – you know what this is for, the sixty second delay, by the way, they're not
contractually not even allowed to hit it, the only time they use it is so that they can –

Robin Quivers: Link up with commercials.

Howard Stern: Yes. Don't worry about that. They had to put that out so the press wouldn't be all over
their ass.

The Quebec and Ontario Councils' conclusion was that the Stern Show broadcasters could not flout
the Code provisions with impunity. Nor was it their expectation that they would choose to do so.
How the broadcasters would choose to solve their dilemma was their responsibility, not that of the
Council. It seemed that they could either pull the show or modify it. These, though, were their
options to select, not the Council's to suggest. In the end, the Canadian broadcasters clearly chose
to modify the show by editing out those parts which might offend the Codes, thereby being the only
broadcasters, to the knowledge of the CBSC, which have ever made that choice with respect to the
Stern Show.

In general, the Stern Show has the reputation of pushing the envelope; it is, however, to be
remembered that the nature of the Canadian and American envelopes differ. The Ontario Regional
Council considers that the broadcasting of the Stern Show has brought the differences between
Canadian and American broadcasting and free speech rules into sharp focus. The Quebec and
Ontario Councils, in the previous Stern decision, reviewed some of the differences in the
constitutional, broadcasting and private approaches to the free speech issue and pointed out that,
even in the more free-wheeling American system, the FCC had proceeded against some of the
Stern Show broadcasters. In any event, as the Councils noted there,

the Canadian approach to broadcast speech is far more cautious and reflective of the need
to respect other Canadian values.

Even Stern appears to have recognized the entitlement of Canada to deal with his Show differently.
The following brief exchange took place on the January 28, 1998 show:

Toronto Caller: I got another point for you, you know the station in Toronto, I'm in Canada right now,
that, uh, your affiliate station, Q107, they've actually hired a guy to monitor your show.

Howard Stern: Good.

Toronto Caller: His whole job is to sit there and listen to your show.

Howard Stern: Well, yeah, because otherwise we would have been off the air. They did the smart

The bottom line is this. Canadian stations which choose to air this show know that it cannot be
broadcast unedited without being in breach of one or another of the CAB Codes. The two stations
which were the subject of the initial decision have taken significant technological and personnel
strides to attempt to tailor the program to meet Canadian standards. These improvements have
included the building of at least an eight-minute delay in the transmission to enable the cutting of
material in a seamless fashion (seamlessness being a broadcaster production value goal which is
not a matter of concern to the CBSC). As already discussed, the digital editing techniques were
not incorporated by both stations into their systems as of the same date (which has an effect on the
outcome of this decision, as will appear from the balance of this text).

It should also be noted that CILQ-FM has provided the CBSC with editing logs for the Stern Show
since the acquisition of the digital time shift recorder. These indicate that the station has
implemented approximately 77 individual edits between February 23 and March 20, 1998 (on 17
of the 20 shows in that time period). The cuts have been from a few words in length to entire
segments of the show, two of these edits running as long as 20 minutes. (While the show can build
a delay of as long as 8 minutes in the stored material, the use of stop-sets can extend the length
of a cut almost indefinitely. Stop-sets, which consist of other station-generated content such as
news, information, commercials and so on, can be introduced until the point when one begins to
use the stored digitized program content.)

While the CBSC applauds the efforts and financial commitment of the broadcasters to respect the
Codes, it remains the broadcasters' obligation to succeed in their attempts. It is the measure of that
success which is the subject of the remainder of this decision.

The Stern episodes involved in the complaints at hand were those of December 15, 16, 17, 18 and
24, 1997 and January 15, 1998. As in the previous decision, it is the view of the Council that the
bulk of the allegedly offending material should be left to Appendices with more limited quotation
from the shows in this part of the text.

In the view of the Council, many of the same issues arising in these shows were considered in the
earlier decision. There is, however, no need to repeat at any length the Council's previously made
points on procedural questions, listener advisories and the difference between the Canadian and
American approaches to the issue of freedom of expression. The matters dealt with here will be
limited to those arising in the programs noted above, which, as in the last decision, will be dealt with
under generic headings.

The Question of Taste

Since there were fewer general complaints than had provoked the previous decision, the generic
question of bad taste has not been as central. In any event, the CBSC does not deal with such
questions. As was said in the previous decision,

This is the time when the on/off switch is the listener's coping mechanism. Unless comments
made by a broadcaster are of a nature to breach provisions of one or more of the Codes, the
CBSC will not judge them one way or the other.

There is, however, one matter which was dealt with in the previous decision which the Regional
Council believes it must address again, namely, the justification of the host's or others' comments
or statements on the basis that the Howard Stern Show is comedy.

The Comedic Defence

It has, from the date of the first episode of the Stern Show broadcast in Canada, been the position
of Stern and defenders of the show, including its audience, that it is comedy and not intended to
be taken seriously. It is their further contention that people critical of the material broadcast on the
Howard Stern Show just “don't get it”. The President and General Manager of CILQ-FM has
characterized the Howard Stern Show as

comedy–distasteful to some, we understand, but not meant to be taken as serious social
commentary, as Stern himself has made clear on numerous occasions. The situations that
arise on the show are so obviously contrived and meant to be humorous that we find it very
difficult to understand how the comments complained about can be said to promote hatred,
violence or degradation.

The Ontario Regional Council acknowledges that the show purports to be comedy. It also
acknowledges that there are listeners who view what Stern says as funny, if not hilarious. That,
however, is not the point. There are comments which, whether intended or not to be funny, are in
breach of the broadcasters' own Codes of conduct. What can be said in one's living room or in the
locker room does not automatically become eligible for over-the-air consumption. Sexist, abusive
and racist comments, and commentary advocating violence against identifiable groups may well
be amusing to some people but, in violating the CAB Codes or the Radio Regulations, 1986, they
do not pass the test of broadcast acceptability.

The difficulty with the position of those who would excuse comments on the basis of comedic intent
is that the extension of the principle to its logical extreme would lead to a conclusion which the
Council finds untenable. It would ultimately justify any comment which a host or broadcaster said
was intended to be humorous. This could not possibly have been the intention of the creators of
the broadcast Codes. Had it been, they would have included an explicit exemption for comedy or
humour. They did not. Despite that fact, the CBSC has, in numerous decisions dealing with Clause
2 of the Code of Ethics, created an exception for “innocent” or non-abusive jokes which may have
had a relationship to an identifiable group.

The Council has, however, drawn the line at so-called “humorous” comments whenever they have
been found to be abusively discriminatory. Thus, in CHUM-AM re Brian Henderson Commentary
(CBSC Decision 95/96-0008, 0060 and 0061, March 26, 1996), Brian Henderson took aim at the
legal community and legal aid problems in Ontario. In so doing, he used terms referring to Jewish
mothers which several complainants found offensive.

In the case at hand, the newscaster and editorial commentator, Brian Henderson, was
attempting to address a valid, indeed important, public concern, namely, the state of the legal
aid system in the Province of Ontario. As the announcer himself admitted, his choice of
example was a “clearly poorly conceived” attempt at “ethnic humour”, which had the effect
of undermining the legitimacy of his commentary and, further, violated clauses 2 and 6(3)
of the CAB Code of Ethics. … His original commentary was incorrect and inappropriate, a
textbook case of what Canada's private broadcasters sought to avoid when they mandated
in the Code of Ethics which they created for themselves that “their programming contain no
abusive or discriminatory material … based on matters of race, national or ethnic origin [or]

The wording chosen by the private broadcasters parallels, not inadvertently, the Council
believes, that used in the Radio Regulations, 1986. Whether intended to be humorous or
serious in tone, programming, whether live or pre-recorded, which “tends or is likely to
expose an individual or class of individuals to hatred or contempt on the basis of [their] race,
national or ethnic origin, colour [or] religion” is not tolerable on Canadian airwaves. While
each individual must determine his or her limits of tolerance at home, the manifestation of
such intolerance on the publicly-owned airwaves is unacceptable. The freedom to speak or
express does not include the freedom to defame.

In an era when the airwaves are transformed more readily and frequently from music and
drama to talk and comment, there are, as a matter of fact, more talk and comment and more
words on the air. Consequently, on a simple proportionate basis, there are more
opportunities to err regarding the social responsibilities and community values ensconced
in the Code of Ethics. More care is, therefore, required by broadcasters to ensure that the
Code provisions are respected.

In CKTF-FM re Voix d'Accès (CBSC Decision 93/94-0213, December 6, 1995), the on-air host told
a “Newfie” joke in which Newfoundlanders were described as “trous de cul” (“assholes” in English),
which the Council found totally unacceptable.

The question, of course, is to determine which “ethnic” [or gender-related or comparable]
jokes or comments will be understood as crossing the boundary of acceptability. There are
those which are sanctionable and those which, even if tasteless or painful to some, are not.
It would be unreasonable to expect that the airwaves be pure, antiseptic and flawless.
Society is not. Nor are individuals in their dealings with one another. Nonetheless, the
airwaves are a special and privileged place and those who occupy that territory are expected
to play a more restrained and respectful social role.

What may constitute the limits of acceptability in each challenged case will need to be
appreciated in its context. Certain cases will clearly fall on one side or the other of the
boundary. Others will lie uncomfortably on the line. The matter at hand was, however, free
of doubt; the depiction of “Newfies” as “assholes” was clearly unacceptable. Whether
intended seriously or in jocular fashion, the use of that term in reference to this or any ethnic,
racial, national or other discernible group was derogatory, abusive and discriminatory and
in violation of clause 2 of the CAB Code of Ethics.

In CHUM-FM re Sunday Funnies (CBSC Decision 95/96-0064, March 26, 1996), the Ontario
Regional Council acknowledged that there is a distinction to be made between “acceptable” and
unacceptable forms of ethnic humour. The Council pointed out that humour has “its content
limitations but what those limitations are will vary according to the nature of the broadcast in
question.” As the members acknowledged,

humour is commonly based on national, ethnic, racial or gender traits, as often as not related
to background matters best-known to the comedian. Even stereotypes are not unknown in
such a context. Such issues cannot alone be the cause of a broadcast sanction. They must
be coupled with another defining criterion; namely, they must be abusive or discriminatory.

The issue, ultimately, is to decide when a humorously intended comment may reasonablybe viewed as having gone too far.

The point of the foregoing decisions is that comedy is not automatically exempt from sanction by
the Councils called upon to evaluate radio or television programming, as the Stern defenders
argue. The circumstances in which it is not will vary from matter to matter and will be based upon
the appreciation of the Council members. Where the material is abusive, it will always fail a
justification test and where the barrage is constant rather than occasional, a fusillade rather than
a single shot, it is likelier to be seen as abusive.

1. Sex-Role Portrayal Issues: Sexist and Abusive Comments

The CBSC had predicted in the last decision that the problems which it had found with the Stern
Show would recur. One of the most prevalent of these relates to the fundamentally sexist
disposition of the show, which, on a continuing basis, objectifies women on the basis of their genital
organs and their sexual proclivities. This objectification extends into abusive comments and
associations between sex and violence. Examples follow.

Discussing women in a bar with Robin Quivers on the December 16th show, Stern said:

Howard Stern: But everyone just drinks and hooks up and there's just tons of good-looking chicks at
Bar Fly. Like one after another, like all of them look like models.

Robin Quivers: Wow!

Howard Stern: Even the pigs are good-looking.

And later in the same show:

Howard Stern: And the girl who seats you at a restaurant is always good-looking. I mean, they're
always hot. I've never seen an ugly girl who worked at a restaurant.

Robin Quivers: They don't get pigs to seat you at the restaurant.

Howard Stern: No, no pigs allowed.

And dealing with a woman who called with a sexual problem:

Howard Stern: All right, what can I do for you?

Madeline: Well, I heard people calling up about their problems and stuff and I'm basically a woman
who has a problem.

Howard Stern: Well, what is your problem?

Madeline: I haven't had sex for ten years.

Howard Stern: Oh, you must be some pig.

On another of the shows complained of, Stern had the following dialogue concerning world-renowned chef Julia Child:

Howard Stern: No. I could starve to death but I couldn't make love to Julia Child. Please! That's
a nasty looking broad. That is a real nasty looking broad. And they even show like pictures of Julia
Child as a young woman. [Man heard screaming.] They said that she was a sex symbol at an early…

Robin Quivers: Where? What country was that?

Howard Stern: I mean, she doesn't look as awful as she does now. I mean, she's a real slob!

The show of December 17th included the “intern beauty pageant”, which provided some of the
following dialogue:

Howard Stern: You know, any of the girls want to step forward right now in front of the microphone
and say anything on behalf… or is there anything that you want to just blurt out? Marla, I understood
you were going to take off your top.

Marla: I want to show you my pierced nipples.

Marla: Could that change your opinion of me?

Howard Stern: Congratulations, girls. I'll be groping the winners later.

The following extracts are from the dialogue with Michelle Yeo, co-star of the latest James Bond
film, on the December 18th show:

Michelle Yeo: About 98 pounds.

Howard Stern: Perfect. How tall are you?

Michelle Yeo: 5'4″.

Howard Stern: That's what I like. 98 pounds, 5'4″. Girls at home, that's what you should weigh when
you're 5'4″. Trust me.

Howard Stern: You know what? She's a girl. You're supposed to be small. Right, you're supposed
to look nice. May I say you have beautiful breasts?

Howard Stern: I would like to have sex with you and your mom.

Michelle Yeo: Why is it in America that whenever you go on a date, you must have sex?

Howard Stern: You better.

Robin Quivers: Ah ah ah.

Michelle Yeo: I would really like to know that.

Howard Stern: You better, or else we'll throw you right out of a moving car.

A similar dialogue took place later on the same show when rock star Bryan Adams was invited to
sing a few songs while strippers performed in the studio:

Bryan Adams: I love her voice.

Howard Stern: Yeah, it's very, very cute.

Gary Garver: Imagine her voice on an ugly chick?

Howard Stern: I would throw her out through a window.

The preponderance of the January 15, 1998 show related to a free breast implant operation which
Stern was offering to the caller with the saddest or most “deserving” tale of woe. The following are
but a sampling of the dialogues with many women:

Howard Stern: All right, let me tell you, here's another woman. She sent me naked pictures of

Robin Quivers: Okay.

Howard Stern: And she already has breast implants.

Robin Quivers: Oh!

Howard Stern: That's right. She says she has… breast implants but she made them too small. She
wants to be in Playboy Magazine.

Robin Quivers: Is she Playboy calibre?

Howard Stern: If you chop her head off.

Tom: Can I put my wife in the water and let the sharks eat half of her?

Howard Stern: Which half?

Robin Quivers: Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!

Howard Stern: All I need of my wife is the bottom half.

Robin Quivers: What happened to your husband?

Unidentified caller: He got hit by a train, actually.

Robin Quivers: Really? How did that happen?

Howard Stern: You're a mess.

Unidentified caller: Tell me about it.

Howard Stern: She's the saddest case we've had yet.

Robin Quivers: So far. But how did your husband get hit by a train?

Howard Stern: He looked at her breasts and he said, what am I doing?

[Train noises.]

Stern then discussed his entitlement to a reward in return for his offer of a free breast implant

Howard Stern: A full “C”? We can make that happen. Imagine I gave you your dream?

Unidentified caller: That would be wonderful.

Howard Stern: Are you going to let me feel those things?

Unidentified caller: Well, I had actually considered calling you guys up and suggesting a fund-raiser,
like a Jerry Lewis telethon type of thing.

Howard Stern: All I want is… are you going to let me feel them when you get them?

Unidentified caller: Yeah.

Howard Stern: You will?

Unidentified caller: [Inaudible…].

Howard Stern: You'll allow me to fondle you?

Robin Quivers: Oh, dear! I didn't know that was part of it.

Howard Stern: There's no rules. I'm making up the rules.

Robin Quivers: I thought you just maybe would ask to see them after.

Howard Stern: I think whoever wins should owe me some gratitude, man, and let me fondle her.

In one of the December shows, there was also a lengthy dialogue with G. Gordon Liddy about his
“Stacked and Packed” calendar, which features women posing with guns. Brief excerpts only are
cited in this part of the decision (the lengthier transcription being found in Appendix A):

Howard Stern: This is so wrong, this calendar, that it's funny. It's G. Gordon Liddy's “Stacked and
Packed” calendar. He went and got women from his audience, good-looking women who listen to him,
and they are nice-looking women. They really are.

G. Gordon Liddy: They are.

Howard Stern: And they're in like bra and panties. Some of them are like topless. Some of them
are topless, right?

Howard Stern: I must be getting old because it's weird. Like these are good looking girls, and they
all have big cans and everything, but when you put girls with guns, I find myself, I go, Wow, look at
that gun! It's like a .357 Magnum with two raucy side clips .357 Magnum. Look at those guns, Robin.
I'm ignoring this beautiful woman. Look at the size of those guns, Robin. You can kill like 50 guys with

G. Gordon Liddy: Oh, absolutely. These girls, Robin, are prepared to defend their virtue.

Decision Regarding the Sexist and Abusive Comments

There is a preliminary point to make regarding this issue, which flows, to some extent, from a
defence raised by Stern himself and others that he does not espouse positions attributed to him by
the Council. For example, the President and General Manager of CILQ-FM has, in one or more of
his letters, stated:

Stern is as apt to make jokes about his own lack of sexual prowess, his physical features
and the “frailties” of male sexuality in general. This is hardly the talk of someone who “hates”
women. Further the locker room talk that occasionally characterizes the show, is balanced
by other factors, making it abundantly clear that the discussions about sex are all in jest. For
example, Mr. Stem has been married for 20 years to the same woman (which he refers to
frequently on the air). … Most importantly, day in and day out he shares the spotlight with
his on-air partner, Robin, a black woman, treating her as an equal and with respect.

It is important to understand that the observations of the Regional Council in this case, as in the
last, do not relate to the personal attitudes of the on-air host. Council members do not have any
way of knowing the personal beliefs of this or any other on-air host. Nor is that the issue.
Decisions of the CBSC are made as a function of what is said by the host over the airwaves. These
comments and these alone are the issue for the CBSC.

The previous decision dealt with the question of sexist comments as these are treated in both the
Code of Ethics
and the Sex-Role Portrayal Code. The Council here wishes to underscore the
background principles relating to the importance of equitable sex-role portrayal in Canadian

The tone of, and rationale for, the Sex-Role Portrayal Code are established in its introduction,
where the first two paragraphs provide:

This Code reflects the responsibility of licensees, under the Broadcasting Act, to assure that
their programming and broadcast services achieve the highest professional standards and
demonstrates the broadcasters' commitment to the fair and equitable portrayal of all persons
in television and radio programming.

Negative or inequitable portrayal and representation of women or men can be expressed
explicitly in programs and commercial messages, as well as implicitly through images,dialogue and character portrayal. Canadian broadcasters recognize the cumulative effect
of negative and inequitable sex-role portrayal
, and seek to address this issue effectively and
responsibly with this Code. … [Emphasis added.]

There are also several sections of the General Principles which extend the general provisions of
the Introduction. These include:

(a) The objective of equal representation is recognized and the portrayal of women and men
shall be comparable to, and reflective of, their actual social and professional achievements,
contributions, interests and activities

(c) Nothing in this Code should be interpreted as censoring the depiction of healthy
sexuality. However, broadcasters shall avoid and eliminate … the promotion of sexual hatred
and degradation

(d) Broadcasters shall be sensitive to the sex-role models provided to children by television
and radio programming. In this context, programmers shall make every effort to continue to
eliminate negative sex-role portrayals
, thereby encouraging the further development of
positive and progressive sex-role models. The “sexualization” of children in programming is
not acceptable
, unless in the context of a dramatic or information program dealing with the

(h) No Code can reasonably anticipate every circumstance of negative sex-role portrayal.
Therefore, the CAB expects such circumstances to be dealt with in the spirit and intent of this
. [Emphasis added.]

The definition sections of this Code include the following interpretation of “Negative or Inequitable
Sex-Role Portrayal”:

Negative or Inequitable Sex-Role Portrayal refers to language, attitudes or representations
which tend to associate particular roles, modes of behaviour, characteristics, attributes or
products to people on the basis of gender, without taking them into consideration as
individuals. Negative or inequitable portrayal of women and men can be both explicit and

Provisions of the Sex-Role Portrayal Code which were cited in the previous CHOM-FM and CILQ-FM decision include the following:

Section 2 (Diversity) (c)

Television and radio programming shall respect the principles of intellectual and emotional
equality of both sexes and the dignity of all individuals. Television and radio programming
should portray women and men as equal beneficiaries of the positive attributes of family or
single-person life. Women and men should perform in a range of occupations and function
as intellectual and emotional equals in all types of thematic circumstances. This should be
the case for both work and leisure activities requiring varying degrees of intellectual
competence. [Emphasis added.]

Section 4 (Exploitation)

Television and radio programming shall refrain from the exploitation of women, men and
children. Negative or degrading comments on the role and nature of women, men or children
in society shall be avoided. Modes of dress, camera focus on areas of the body and similar
modes of portrayal should not be degrading to either sex. The sexualization of children
through dress or behaviour is not acceptable.

And finally, it should be noted that the responsibilities of broadcasters regarding sex-role portrayal
issues extend equally to programs which they acquire from whatever source.

Section 8 (Program Development and Acquisition)

Broadcasters shall exercise sensitivity to and awareness of the problems associated with
sex-role portrayal in the development of domestic programming, and in the acquisition of
non-Canadian programming for broadcast.


In the development, financing or acquisition of domestic programs produced by other than
station or network staff, broadcasters shall ensure that participating independent producers
and syndicators are aware of the Code.

Stern's use of abusive or degrading comments in dealing with women continued in the broadcasts
reviewed by the Council in this decision. As the Council held in the previous decision

Stern consistently uses degrading and irrelevant commentary in dealing either with guests
or callers. … It may well be the case that many in his audience find such comments
entertaining. This sort of adolescent humour may work for some in private venues but it is
thoroughly in breach of Canadian codified standards. Women in this country are entitled to
the respect which their intellectual, emotional, personal and artistic qualities merit. No more
than men. No less than men. But every bit as much as men.

The use of the term “pigs” to deal with women is in breach of the provisions of Clauses 2(c) and 4
of the Sex Role Portrayal Code as is measuring Julia Child as a function of some scale of physical

Moreover, there is a more generalized and pervasive presentation of women which manifests itself
from show to show, which is at least as offensive to the requirement that “radio programming shall
respect the principles of intellectual and emotional equality of both sexes and the dignity of all
individuals.” The portrayal of women as objects or meat, the emphasis on their height, weight and
bust size are issues disparaging to women's self-image. This view of women is inherent in the
“intern beauty pageant” and in the January 15 show about breast implants. Both segments or
shows were nothing more or less than an opportunity for Stern to deal with women as physical
objects devoid of intellectual and emotional qualities. In the case of the intern beauty pageant,
there is not even a pretence that beauty was an issue; the pageant appeared to the Council to be
an excuse to have one of the contestants take off her top to reveal her pierced nipples and, at the
end of the day, for Stern to conclude that he will be “groping the winners.” Similarly, in the program
dealing with the breast implants, which elicited particularly sad, if not tragic, stories, Stern was
apparently “trading” the awarding of the prize, namely, the operation, against his entitlement to
fondle the breasts of the winner.

All in all, the Ontario Regional Council considers that the foregoing series of shows manifested a
degrading approach to women. If the characterization of women as physical objects was not
sufficiently inappropriate, the conversion of their misfortune into sexual playthings for the host is
grossly demeaning. The continued expression of that view of women on Canadian airwaves carries
with it a cost to all Canadians. At the very least, it contributes to a desensitization of the public to
the wrongness of such views. At worst, it encourages the legitimacy of them. In dealing with the
changes in attitudes which exposure to hate propaganda can bring about, the Supreme Court held
in Nova Scotia Board of Censors v. McNeil, [1978] 2 S.C.R. 662,

… the alteration of views held by the recipients of hate propaganda may occur subtly, and
is not always attendant upon conscious acceptance of the communicated ideas. Even if the
message of hate propaganda is outwardly rejected, there is evidence that its premise of
racial or religious inferiority may persist in a recipient's mind as an idea that holds some truth,
an incipient effect not to be entirely discounted …

The threat to the self-dignity of target group members is thus matched by the possibility that
prejudiced messages will gain some credence, with the attendant result of discrimination …
against minority groups in Canadian society.

The Ontario Regional Council is of the view that the demeaning approach to women taken in most,
if not all, of the Stern Shows reviewed for this decision violates both the underlying spirit and
express provisions of the Sex-Role Portrayal Code. The broadcasting of such retrograde attitudes,
which so clearly violate the Code, risks the desensitization of the public to the invalidity of the
unequal treatment of women and the validation of the unacceptable view of women as sexual
objects, purely and simply. Nor is it merely the target group which suffers that indignity; all
Canadians are the less for the proliferation of such messages over the publicly owned airwaves.

While it is not the CBSC which is responsible for the definition of the content of such terms as “high
standard” in the Broadcasting Act, the Ontario Regional Council does not easily imagine that the
Commission's observations in its Policy Regarding Open-Line Programming (Public Notice CRTC
1988-213, at p. 6) are not pertinent.

The Commission considers gratuitous personal attacks on individuals or groups,
unresearched or inaccurate reporting and unprofessional on-air behaviour as examples of
failure to meet the high programming standards required of each licensee.

The Ontario Regional Council concludes that the sexist comments, dialogue and situations
objectifying women as physical or sexual beings devoid of intellectual and emotional qualities,
which occurs in the episodes on a sustained basis, are in breach of Clauses 2(c) and 4 of the Sex-Role Portrayal Code.

2. Advocating Violence against Women

The declarations of the host and others on the Stern Show regarding women go further. Whether
in apparent jest or otherwise, the use of language such as “chop her head off”, sharks eating half
of a woman and the like lead readily to the conclusion that aggressive non-consensual sex may be
acceptable. In dealing with Mary Hart of Entertainment Tonight, whom he had met on a flight from
Los Angeles, Stern said:

Howard Stern: I should have just ripped her top off, you know. I should have just ripped her top and
her bra off and start having sex with her on the plane. And she was like, “Yes, I'm going back to Los
Angeles and my son's birthday party”. And I mean so happy about life's trivial garbage. I mean, she's
so happy.

That passage is not dissimilar from that of the show of September 4, discussed in the previous
decision. In referring to Kim Basinger, Stern said:

Howard Stern: But now she wants to shut up. Oh, I just wanna take that piece of ass body, put tape
over her mouth, and do things to her. [Playing sound effects of a woman in a sexual encounter
throughout the following passage.] And have her lay by my pool in a bikini and have her come out and
service me. And I'm laying by my pool, in comes that nude with just a pair of heels. And then like,
I reach in, I yank out her vocal chords and then she just orally satisfies me by the pool. Oh, she's
totally a mute Kim. And she's totally nude.

Robin Quivers: That's a perfect world.

Howard Stern: Oh. And then I break her legs and position them in the back of her head so that she's
sitting, and they're permanently fixed like that. We let them knit and mend.

The comments counselling the rape of Mary Hart, which were followed by the lengthy discussion
with G. Gordon Liddy regarding his calendar and the combination of nude or semi-nude women and
guns, fall, broadly speaking, into the area of concerns expressed by the Supreme Court of Canada
in its landmark decision in Butler v. R., [1992] 1 S.C.R. 452. In that case, the Court stated that

if true equality between male and female persons is to be achieved, we cannot ignore the
threat to equality resulting from exposure to audiences of certain types of violent and
degrading material. Materials portraying women as a class as objects for sexual exploitation
and abuse have a negative impact on “the individual's sense of self-worth and acceptance”.

In a previous CRTC Public Notice Concerning a Complaint against CKVU Television, Vancouver,
British Columbia, by Media Watch
( P.N. CRTC 1983-187), an editorialist delivered a commentary,
which included the following:

If there is ever another conventional war, it's my hope that Media Watch and its army of
snoops will be found in the front line where they can be raped by the Russians.

In that matter, which was decided long before the CBSC existed, the CRTC referred to Clause 2
of the Code of Ethics. It concluded, among other things, that

broadcasters fall short of discharging their responsibilities and of attaining the high standard
of programming required when the frequency entrusted to them is used, not to criticize the
activities of a particular group but to advocate sexual violence against its members. The
broadcasting industry itself has recognized that principle by inserting in its Code of Ethics the
clause respecting human rights referred to above.

… The Commission agrees with the complainant that the issue of whether or not women
should be raped is not debatable. …

… [T]he right of freedom of expression on the public airwaves cannot supersede the public's
right to receive programming of high standard, free of demeaning comments or incitement
to violence toward any identifiable group.

The Ontario Regional Council considers that the above comments regarding Mary Hart and other
comments associating naked women or sexually objectified women and violence to be in violation
of Clause 2 of the Code of Ethics.

3. Racist and Abusive Comments

The December shows included numerous examples of racist comments directed at blacks and
Jews, among others, details of which can be found in Appendix B below. They include the following

Bruce: I moved to a town that has no blacks and no Jews, believe it or not.

Howard Stern: What's the name of that town? Utopia?


Bruce: No, I wish it was. It's Mortimer, man, up in the mountains of North Carolina.

Robin Quivers: How did you get rid of everybody?

Howard Stern: How did you get rid of your blacks and Jews?

Bruce: Ah ah. They weren't here when I got here, and when I asked them, I said, “Hey man, there ain't
no blacks up here.” They said, “Well, we know how to keep them in their place.”

Howard Stern: Wow!

Bruce: But anyway…

Howard Stern: How do you keep the Jews in their place?

On the December 18th show, Stern played and talked about a song called “Nigger Claus”. Among
other things, he said:

Howard Stern: So black Santa Claus tried to rape his wife and steals toys instead of gives toys to the

The CBSC's position on such abusively discriminatory language has been stated on many
occasions, some of which are referred to in the previous decision. The Ontario Regional Council
considers that the descriptions used on the occasions referred to in this decision constitute
abusively discriminatory comment on the basis of race, national or ethnic origin, colour and religion
in violation of Clause 2 of the Code of Ethics.

4. Sexual Acts Involving Children

The Ontario Regional Council considers the participation of children in sexual acts as particularly
unacceptable. The programs reviewed for the current decision involved considerably more
references to such acts than the Council had heard in the September programs reviewed for the
first Stern Show decision. In the first of the current examples, Stern was describing a party which
he had attended on a recent trip to Los Angeles.

Howard Stern: After I peed, I kind of forgot how to get downstairs and I open up the… I see two
people in bed and I went, “Oh, my God, they're having sex”, and I realized it was Lindell's kids asleep
in the bed. They passed out on a bed.

Robin Quivers: Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!

Howard Stern: I tried to get it on with them, but I couldn't. They couldn't be woken up.

The following dialogue took place during the show of December 18. It was triggered by a
discussion of estimates made by the National Centre for Lesbian Rights that 8 to 13 million children
are being raised by gay and lesbian parents in the United States; and the recounting of the story
of a man who had been arraigned on charges of rape and sodomy with an 11 year-old girl he met
during trysts with her hooker aunt.

Howard Stern: And the little girl was performing what? Oral sex on this gentleman?

Robin Quivers: I would imagine at that particular time, but it has been a nine-month relationship.

Howard Stern: Can an 11 year-old really know how to do that well? I mean, you're a grown woman
and you just learned how to do it. I can't imagine…

Robin Quivers: I was never given instruction. Obviously, she was being schooled.

Howard Stern: You were deprived.

During the show of December 24, there were other sexual associations made regarding children.

Robin Quivers: In the State of New York, there's an alarming rate of syphilis among babies, Howard.

Howard Stern: Who are they getting it on with?

Robin Quivers: Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah! I don't know. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah! Could you imagine?

Howard Stern: Yeah, nothing better than a good baby!

Robin Quivers: Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!

Howard Stern: Yeah, I mean, I don't like to talk about it that much on the air because people think
I'm sick. You know what the worst thing about having sex with your sister is?

Robin Quivers: Oh, please!

Howard Stern: Breaking the crib.

The Decision Regarding Sexual Acts Involving Young Children

The Regional Council has not previously been called upon to assess the content of talk radio
programming of a more serious nature than that involving the participation, real or imagined, of
children in sexual acts. However permissive the view of society may be toward consensual sex
among adults, there is no tolerance in civilized societies for child pornography in any form. As the
Supreme Court put this point in defining the three categories of pornography in Butler v. R., it
explained that “explicit sex that is not violent and neither degrading nor dehumanizing is generally
tolerated in our society and will not qualify as the undue exploitation of sex unless it employs
children in its production
. [Emphasis added.]” In this area, the station has itself acknowledged “that
extra vigilance is required where children and sexuality are linked, even if in jest.”

In the view of the Ontario Regional Council, the program segments quoted above constitute
violations of Clause 4 of the Sex-Role Portrayal Code which provides very clearly that “The
sexualization of children through dress or behaviour is not acceptable.”

5. Suitability of Subject Matter for Children

In the shows reviewed on this occasion, the Ontario Regional Council considers that Howard Stern
has exposed new types of programming which are unsuitable for children during the early hours
of the day when they are aired. There is, as in the case of the September programs dealt with in
the previous decision, the question of explicit sexual material. Some of these examples are as
follows (fuller transcripts are found in Appendix C). In the first, Stern was discussing an S & M
restaurant in New York.

Howard Stern: And so she lifted up your dress in front of the whole restaurant and showed your naked
ass and started whipping you?

Robin Razinski: Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!

Robin Quivers: Yeah, how do you enjoy that? What do you enjoy about that?

Howard Stern: I could dig that. I could dig watching that. You know, a girl with a nice ass.

Robin Quivers: But what did Robin enjoy about that is what I'm asking?

Howard Stern: It's erotic.

On another occasion, Stern discussed Robin Quivers' own sexual interests on a hypothetical basis.
That explicit dialogue was as follows:

Howard Stern: Where do you see yourself? On your knees in front of him?

Robin Quivers: No, I don't. I don't see myself in that position at all.

Howard Stern: Or do you see yourself laying in bed with him, and then leaning over and doing it?

Robin Quivers: I haven't done all of that.

Howard Stern: Gripping the headboard and him taking you from behind?

Robin Quivers: Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!

Gary Garver: Whenever she says she likes somebody, I just see her over a sink.

Stern was also explicit about violence during another conversation with G. Gordon Liddy. He first
expressed his own fascination with killing in the following terms:

Howard Stern: I should have asked G. what it feels like to put a bullet in a guy. Hey, Gary, get him
back on the line. I really want to know.

Robin Quivers: You've asked him that before, haven't you?

Howard Stern: No, I don't think I ever. Did he ever put a bullet through a guy's brain?

Robin Quivers: Like at close range?

Howard Stern: Yes. Like what does it look like? Does the blood splatter all over the place?

Robin Quivers: Is it like in the movies?

Howard Stern: Yeah. I think guns are cool, but if you don't ever get to kill anybody, what fun is it?
You know what I mean? He's gotten to kill. [sounds of gun fire]

Robin Quivers: Stop it. Why do you have them?

Howard Stern: I'm waiting for somebody to break in. I'm hoping someone will break in the house so
I could kill him. [sounds of gun fire]

When he got Liddy back on the line, the how-to conversation became more explicit.

G. Gordon Liddy: Now, your typical mafia hit type deal…

Howard Stern: Right.

G. Gordon Liddy: … that you get up close to the guy, you stick it in his ear, pull.

Howard Stern: Right.

G. Gordon Liddy: Pow!

Howard Stern: What is your favourite way to kill a man with a gun?

G. Gordon Liddy: With a gun?

Howard Stern: Yeah, up close or…?

G. Gordon Liddy: Yes, I would be up close and probably put it right through the head.

Howard Stern: And when you go through the head, does the blood get all over you?

G. Gordon Liddy: Not unless you're standing behind it and the bullet gets you and you can sort of
commit suicide.

Robin Quivers: Ah, ah, ah, ah!

Howard Stern: No, you know what I mean. If you get too close, you're up close to the guy, you put
the gun to his head and you blow his head off, doesn't the head shatter?

G. Gordon Liddy: No, no, the entry hole is small.

Decision Relating to the Suitability of Subject Matter for Children

Unlike the other breaches found in this matter, which would remain breaches of the Codes involved
at any time of the day or night, the suitability of subject matter for children is a time-related issue.
The aspects of the Stern Shows treated under this heading are unsuitable by reason of their ready
accessibility by children rather than by reason of their nature. While perhaps not either pleasant
or of broad social value at a late evening hour, their broadcast would not be challenged at that
hour. When, however, they are aired between 6:00 and 10:00 a.m., they fall into another category.
As the CBSC emphasized in the previous Stern decision,

Children represent an important value to Canadian society. This is reflected in Section
3(c)(iii) of the Broadcasting Act, which states that the Canadian broadcasting system should
“serve the needs and interests, and reflect the circumstances and aspirations, of Canadian
men, women and children…”

The Council will not repeat in detail here what it has said on the subject of appropriate or suitable
programming in that earlier decision. The Code of Ethics provides, in Clause 6(3), the language
which is the provision always used by the CBSC to deal with open-line or talk radio, namely:

It is recognized that the full, fair and proper presentation of news, opinion, comment and
editorial is the prime and fundamental responsibility of the broadcast publisher.

The CBSC considers that the “proper presentation of … opinion [or] comment”, in the case of
children is a function of what is suitable for them and it remains the Council's view that the
description of explicit sexual acts, abetted in these December and January episodes by explicit
discussions of violent acts, constitutes improper comment and is in breach of Clause 6(3) of theCode of Ethics.

Consequences of the CILQ-FM Code Breaches

In other circumstances, the CBSC could well decide that CILQ-FM or any other broadcaster in a
continuing breach of the Codes be asked to leave the Council. This is not the case in the present
circumstances for one reason only. The member has explicitly and unequivocally declared its
support of the self-regulatory process and its intention of complying with Canadian broadcast codes
and regulations. Furthermore, Ted Smith, WIC Radio's President and C.E.O. has explained in
detail the infrastructural changes which the company has introduced to deal with the “challenges
[of] the Howard Stern Show”. While the CBSC believes that CILQ-FM has utterly failed in its
obligation to put a solution in place within 30 days of the announcement of the November 11, 1997
CBSC decision, Ted Smith did acknowledge, in his letter of February 16, 1998 quoted above, that

In hindsight, I believe we were too slow off the mark in getting the new systems fully
operational and I apologize for our tardiness. That lateness I'm sure, contributed to some
of the complaints that were received following the CBSC's November decision.

Given this sequence of events, the Council does not believe that the membership of CILQ-FM in
the CBSC should be revoked because of the question of a timing failure. The Council does consider
that it is only reasonable to provide CILQ with the opportunity to demonstrate, with its additional
personnel and new digital technology, that it can in fact edit the Stern Show to ensure its
compliance with industry Codes.

While it remains to be proven to the CBSC that this new infrastructure can, in fact, succeed, the
Council believes that it has a responsibility to provide this member station with the chance to make
these new processes work. If the station can achieve Code compliance, so much the better. If,
however, it cannot, then it will ultimately have to deal with these issues in another forum.

It is a fundamental tenet of the CBSC that freedom of expression must be given every opportunity.
It is neither the role nor duty of the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council to tell Canadians what
they can or cannot see and hear on their radios and television sets. In the aftermath of the first
Stern decision, those who have in various fora accused the Council of attempting to act as a
censor, have missed the point of the Council's raison d'être.

The CBSC has been assigned the responsibility to assess, on the basis of complaints by the public,
whether its member radio and television stations have in fact adhered to the standards and
practices which the broadcasters themselves have adopted as acceptable codes of conduct.
Whether or not CBSC decisions, either in favour of, or against its broadcast members, are
unpopular with the industry or the general public is not at issue. As the late Supreme Court Justice
John Sopinka stated, in an address in Kyiv on October 2, 1997, speaking about analogous issues,
in the context of a speech on the independence of the judiciary,

There is a difference between politics and law. There is a difference between making
decisions according to how popular they are, how many people will support them, how
organized the opposition might be, or whether people are willing to pay for them — these are
political calculations — and making decisions according to whether a particular result is
rational, logical, consistent with past practice, appropriate in light of liberal democratic
principles, and morally defensible.

The paradox created by the Charter is that it was adopted … to protect the individual against
an abuse of power by the majority, but many feel that it is undemocratic for unelected judges
to overrule the majority. The majority does not like to be told it is wrong.

The unfortunate fact is that the Charter has turned the court into the messenger who is likely
to get shot for bringing bad news. By enacting the Charter, the legislative branch of
government enacted a permanent invitation to the judiciary to tell the majority that it is wrong
— that it cannot do what it wants to do, or at least that it cannot do it in a way it wants to do
it. If the majority is in a particularly surly mood, bringing this kind of bad news can be a
singularly unpleasant business.

The Council no more reviews or evaluates the standards which it is called upon to apply than, as
Mr. Justice Sopinka explained, any interpretive body second-guesses the creations of the statutes,
rules or standards it applies. In the broadcast code area, the CBSC merely interprets adherence
to these standards in as fair-minded and impartial manner as possible. Decisions from the CBSC
are not challenges to freedom of speech and expression, but rather a judgment of how successfully
its members have addressed their responsibilities to their communities, in meeting standards which
have been agreed upon by the broadcast industry and endorsed, in some cases, by the federal

The Broadcasters Responses

It was unquestionably easier for CILQ-FM to deal with the lesser number of complaints in the time
period covered by this decision than it was in the months of September to November 1997. In the
circumstances, CILQ-FM's President and General Manager was able to deal in a more pointedly
responsive manner with the precise issues raised by each of the complainants. In this respect, the
lengthy replies were thoughtful and pertinent. They also detailed the specific steps taken to
respond to the CBSC's expectation that the Show could not continue to breach the broadcaster
Codes. In terms of the station's responsiveness to the complaints, nothing more could have been
expected of the broadcaster.

This was not, however, the end of the matter. The CBSC expected that the broadcaster would not
only take steps to deal with future breaches of the Code but that it would succeed in its efforts. By
its own admission, it did not take the necessary steps on a timely basis.

In normal circumstances, this could well result in severance of the member from the Council but
these are not normal circumstances. This is the only situation in which the CBSC has twice been
required to review the same radio show as a series. Consequently, while the CBSC considers that
the steps taken by CILQ-FM to attempt in future to make the Stern Show comply with the broadcast
Codes should be given a reasonable chance to succeed, the Council reserves the right to initiate
its own determination within 30 days of this decision to assess whether the station has succeeded
in making this series Code-compliant.

If CILQ-FM is able to air the Stern Show sufficiently edited to comply with the Codes to which it
adheres, it will, of course, be able to continue as a member of the Council. If it cannot, the ongoing
broadcast of the Stern Show and all other matters which may be the subject of complaints will be
dealt with in another forum.

Content of Broadcaster Announcement of the Decision

CILQ-FM is required to announce this decision, in the following terms, during peak listening hours
forthwith and to provide confirmation of the airing of the statement to the CBSC and to each of the
complainants who filed a Ruling Request.

The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has found that CILQ-FM has breached
provisions of the industry's Code of Ethics and Sex-Role Portrayal Code. The Council
found that the Howard Stern Shows of December 15th to 18th and 24th and that of
January 15th contained abusive or discriminatory comments directed at identifiable
groups, made sexist remarks or observations, included descriptions of sexual activity
of young children, or contained improper language or descriptions of sexual activity
during a pre-school broadcast period.

This decision is a public document upon its release by the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council.

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